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ExpertSDR2-1.3Beta7 Win 02 Sep 2019 18:02 #331

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instead of adding some stuff that we want/need and has been promised for years.

Indeed, I was looking forward to buy the 100W SunSDR2 DX to replace my PRO but now I'm starting to get serious doubts. Time to have a look at the other brands of 100W SDR transceivers I guess.
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ExpertSDR2-1.3Beta7 Win 02 Sep 2019 18:09 #332

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Hello Richie,

The frustration level is high. It is higher still for MB1 owners, not to mimimise the sorry situation of SunSDR owners, but the MB1 owners spent much more money and were promised in 2016 that the non-working features would be provided quickly. The promises continued in 2017, 2018 and 2019, all broken. If the programmer works 48 weeks of a year for at least 3 normal working days a week, the implementation of TNF and ALC has had at least 3500 hours to achieve it. Therefore clearly there not been any application of effort at all and the insult to us is extreme. Not everyone cares of course, fair enough, but those who make absurd claims that I am too harsh need to consider how others feel.

Despite the frustration that I and many others have, some put our own time into making 1.3 Beta perform adequately. It did not seem to be fully understood, but 8 hours is a lot when not having made ridiculous changes would have avoided such a need at all.

I do think your assertion about not getting stuff we want/need is a crucial and essential point. Surely it cannot be lost on prospective purchasers, especially with a new model arriving soon, that actually there might be better choices of transceiver from more reliable manufacturers in the market place.

Erik.
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ExpertSDR2 02 Sep 2019 22:22 #333

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Erik you said the right words, many are disappointed with EE, were many promises and nothing fulfilled, important things like ALC, TNF and many other things, and nothing was fulfilled, removed the AGC-T something important for adjusting the noise signal ratio , where each operator can adjust as needed. Now another release of a sunsdr2dx with the same promises for future buyers. I think that before launching new products EE had to worry about finishing the software, finishing what was promised. a non-radio programmer, how he can understand what a receiver needs? How can it improve filters like NR, APF, NB? I have an MB1, but I'm giving up waiting, and thinking about switching.
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ExpertSDR2 03 Sep 2019 10:43 #334

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Hi, everyone.
I want to thank all of you for your comments and reply to some of them.
1. ITU region detection system was added because in some countries certain bands are not allowed and if we allow free access to them we may bear the severe penalty.
This system was based on Windows region detection, and evidently not ideal. Nevertheless today we'll make a new release of ESDR2 1.3.0 RC1 with this issue fixed, supposedly.

2. Indeed software development goes not as fast as we'd like, BUT we've added lots of new functions in the ESDR2 1.3.0, way more than we planned in the beginning. I've mentioned all of them on our website - eesdr.com/en/expertsdr2-en
The range of interest among all HAM amateurs is very wide, some are contesters, some ESSB enthusiasts and so on, we are trying to make our software the best for all of them. If some of the latest software additions are not for you, doesn't mean there are no new features in the software.

3. On the same page, you may find the corrected development plan. Versions 1.3.1 - 1.3.3 should be released until the end of this year. One feature per release. The idea is to have a faster release cycle of stable versions with certain features.

4. We already have a working prototype of the transceiver with Duplex. After the release of the 1.3.3 we'll start to work on Duplex and predistortion features for series devices.
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ExpertSDR2 04 Sep 2019 05:27 #335

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want to tell a team of Expert electronics well done ! each time improves a program that leads to additional functions of the transceiver, the upgrading program improve those parameters, but we as users want the operational run !!! Very much done on the sound of SSB (ESSB) Personally I expect the function PURE SIGNAL !!! version 1.3.0 transmitter parameters better than other versions that were! I'm also really looking forward to the Duplex mode! At the bottom of the receiver, its functions I miss audio analyzer ( as is done in the transmitter)
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ExpertSDR2 04 Sep 2019 08:39 #336

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Hi Roman, Thanks for the update, but I thought I should reply. I have as you know reported many many bugs during the development of 1.2.0 and 1.3.0 so figured you might like some serious feedback. I did not really want to vent all this out in the public but perhaps it is better that way, who knows.
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Hi, everyone.
I want to thank all of you for your comments and reply to some of them.
1. ITU region detection system was added because in some countries certain bands are not allowed and if we allow free access to them we may bear the severe penalty.
This system was based on Windows region detection, and evidently not ideal. Nevertheless today we'll make a new release of ESDR2 1.3.0 RC1 with this issue fixed, supposedly.

The flexibility with 60m+11m/etc option check boxes should also be there imo, and if enabled a nag screen should pop every time EESDR2 is started, which would then exonerate EE so that you would not have to 'bear the severe penalty'.
2. Indeed software development goes not as fast as we'd like, BUT we've added lots of new functions in the ESDR2 1.3.0, way more than we planned in the beginning. I've mentioned all of them on our website - eesdr.com/en/expertsdr2-en
The range of interest among all HAM amateurs is very wide, some are contesters, some ESSB enthusiasts and so on, we are trying to make our software the best for all of them. If some of the latest software additions are not for you, doesn't mean there are no new features in the software.

Yes, but nothing has addressed the stuff that people actually want or has been promised from 2016-2017-2018. I started going through the 14 entries that 1.3.0 has added, many (at least half) would take a couple of days of development tops, for example :

1) New device options button..... why was this added exactly when all the features are available in the options? It is still badly implemented imo, without serial number showing unless discover is used etc etc. I have never used it because it just mirrors the stuff already in the options. Add a drop down menu, link the new controls to the existing methods/properties, not a massive coding exercise.
2) New button for volume/monitor. Why exactly? There is one thing about UI design, and that is constancy. Sometimes the window is just small enough to show that button, sometimes it is not. Sometimes I find myself hunting to the regular vol/mon sliders, sometimes I am hunting for that new small button. Again, controls linked to existing methods/properties, no massive undertaking.
3) Switchable classic/band mode. Why exactly? Was it because you decided to move a bunch of controls again when the window shrunk and the existing bar looked nasty. There was major upset about this in the community, and you returned the existing bar. This new drop down was not really liked by anyone as far as I could tell. I do use it however, and thought it an improvement.
4) Switchable spectrum slopes. I would love to see how many people actually have the slopes switched off. It resulted in 312kHz of viewable bandwidth becoming more like 280kHz.

Whilst there were great changes/additions such as the change to sound io, improvements to TCI, and TX processing, it can be said that running up 1.2.0 and everything will just be fine. All these changes/additions did nothing to add serious functionality/features to the software that are still and have been listed as a feature since the dawn of time.

Everything in 1.3.0 can be listed as a 'nice to have' or some 'eye candy'. Nothing listed is clearing anything from your 'Main capabilities' feature list against each radio, and this is where EE has failed imo. Those three star points on your feature lists should have been cleared years ago, the first to go. (* ** *** These functions are supported by the transceiver's hardware, but is not implemented in the ExpertSDR2 software. They will be supported in the future ExpertSDR2 software releases.).
3. On the same page, you may find the corrected development plan. Versions 1.3.1 - 1.3.3 should be released until the end of this year. One feature per release. The idea is to have a faster release cycle of stable versions with certain features.

Well, time will tell if MNF/TNF, transverter and ALC is implemented by the end of 2019. I find it somewhat interesting that ALC has yet again been put to the end of the 'list'.
4. We already have a working prototype of the transceiver with Duplex. After the release of the 1.3.3 we'll start to work on Duplex and predistortion features for series devices

This is interesting as you mentioned previously that duplex/predistortion would not be looked at until 1.4. I know priorities change, but there is still a hell of a lot listed beyond 1.3.3 before 1.4 arrives. The message is here, and just look at that time line.... eesdr.com/en/forum-en/software-ss2/7965-predistortion


Anyway, I have said enough really. When the DX was announced I thought, yes, great, I will pre-order. Then, I started thinking about the software, which after all is what these radios are all about. With the speed of development and repeated delays and missed dates, I decided against the idea. A shame really, which truthfully was only caused by the ongoing slow and failed timelines. If memory serves me, you even ditched all the dates, and just went with version numbers. I was a software engineer/systems analyst/consultant for the majority of my time working, and know first hand how dates come and go.

In short, do not promise the world, unless you have LOTS of programmers and endless budget, and even then double/triple your time estimates.

Richie.
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ExpertSDR2 04 Sep 2019 18:21 #337

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ESDR2 1.3.0 RC1 has recovered the 60 meter band that reappears but does not allow the use of the 11 meter band.
One of the reasons that made me change my old flex radio equipment was that EE gave me the option of being able to activate the 11 meter band. If these options disappear it would be a great disappointment. The 11-meter band should be able to open under the operator's responsibility as is done in classic HF equipment.
It could be for example by means of a combination of keys so that the option does not appear directly in the software.

KE9NS is doing a spectacular voluntary job with the software of the old Flex equipment that was left open source and he is squeezing the possibilities of those transceivers to the fullest.


Pedro
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ExpertSDR2 05 Sep 2019 07:02 #338

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C:\Users\computer-name\AppData\Local\Expert Electronics\ExpertSDR2 and then open itu.ini - in there set 11m to true.

Do this with ESDR2 closed. On next start, 11m will be enabled.
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ExpertSDR2 05 Sep 2019 08:12 #339

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Hi, Richie.
I'll briefly reply.
1. We are thinking about another way for region detection and band display, it's a process. Maybe we'll add manual region selection.

2. 3. Actually some of the changes took serious amount of time, not a couple of days, such as Switchable classic/band mode and Switchable spectrum slopes. You are correct not many people use it, but we can say the same about ALC. There is a power correction menu in the ESDR2, it's way more reliable than ALC, it works all the time, on the other hand, ALC has a delay, thus cannot be fully trusted. Either way, as I said we plan to implement it too until the end of the year.

4. You are referring to my message this March, but as you can see plans changed. Between ALC and Duplex we might add some other functions, but the main goal is to implement Duplex and Predistortion after 1.3.3 release.
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ExpertSDR2 05 Sep 2019 08:54 #340

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Rome wrote:
Hi, Richie.
1. We are thinking about another way for region detection and band display, it's a process. Maybe we'll add manual region selection.

You mean maybe you will reinstate one of the functions we previously enjoyed but cannot any longer if moving from 1.2 to 1.3


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What is this if not manual region selection? Oh yes and we also had easy selection of 60m and 11m and it has been like this for 4 years at least.

If you know that not many people use functions that take a 'serious amount of time', might I suggest (off the wall I know but bear with me) that time be devoted to functions that people will use.

Where is the data that supports your assertion that not many people use ALC? All amplifiers in the SPE range carry within their user manual, a section regarding the ALC negative voltage connection and include in bold letters "This link is highly recommended". The only factual comment that could have been made is that no EE customer uses ALC.

You should conduct a poll of your customer base. EE are in such a mess now that you have long ago lost your way. You need to know for sure what the piorities really are. Do Duplex and Predistortion rank more highly than receiver optimisation, improved DSP especially in the areas of noise blanker, noise reduction, wideband notch, improved filtering etc? Maybe they do but your track record for 2019 is rather poor so that you absolutely need a fact gathering exercise.

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ExpertSDR2 05 Sep 2019 09:08 #341

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Rome wrote:
Hi, Richie.
I'll briefly reply.
1. We are thinking about another way for region detection and band display, it's a process. Maybe we'll add manual region selection.

2. 3. Actually some of the changes took serious amount of time, not a couple of days, such as Switchable classic/band mode and Switchable spectrum slopes. You are correct not many people use it, but we can say the same about ALC. There is a power correction menu in the ESDR2, it's way more reliable than ALC, it works all the time, on the other hand, ALC has a delay, thus cannot be fully trusted. Either way, as I said we plan to implement it too until the end of the year.

4. You are referring to my message this March, but as you can see plans changed. Between ALC and Duplex we might add some other functions, but the main goal is to implement Duplex and Predistortion after 1.3.3 release.

Hi Roman,

1. yes, really a step back, but I understand why you need to cover yourselves from the device tx'ing 'out of band'. I feel the region or a country selector was a better way, perhaps with an ini file, that had each country listed, with defaults. This could then be tweaked by user. If those changes were different to 'hard coded' ITU expectations then a nag screen could pop up to remove your liability.

2.3. Yes I imagine some of them would take time, but for example, was spending time developing the removal of slopes/edges worth it ? Did people actually want/use that ? And ask yourself how that got priority over the * ** *** points on your feature list, the advert for the radio. Those *'s have been there for YEARS, come on.

4. Yep, like I said in my post, the software development life-cycle changes, dates slip and move, however you have to agree the delays have been insane and somewhat caused by implementing eye candy and fluff instead of providing the features promised. Just look back to the remote access TX features as well, people were asking for years for that be implemented, and you made promise after promise that went by each time.

Well anything can be added after 1.3.3 is released, if that 'anything' is not included in 1.3.3.

Just to clarify, are you saying that Duplex and Predistortion is happening before all the items listed below??? ie, before 1.3.4? because there is no mention of it anywhere on the development plan.

Cheers, Richie.
Version 1.3.4
New functions:
The 4M band will be supported in software
Implementing transmitter protection based on SWR
New menu for RX PROC module, settings for all audio processors will be gathered in one menu, will be added display of audio spectrum and time diagram
Possibility to assign APF on programmable F1-F10 buttons in MB1
An adjustable rotation speed of AF/RF knobs in MB1
New commands in TCI:
- Switch Receiver (E-Coder) - with an argument for a receiver
Changes to the current functionality:

A completely new module of the antenna switch, separate settings window for each band
Separate window to control EXT.CTRL. and PA keys


Version 1.3.5
New functions:
Storing repeater stations for NFM (VHF / UHF)
Implementing of the Omni-Rig v2.0 interface (www.hb9ryz.ch/omnirig/index.html)
Pressing the Esc button, the transceiver will turn to RX mode
Implementing the Receive only mode for all transceivers
Improving operation of the NFM modem algorithm with SQL and CTCSS / DTMF
Opportunity to change transmitter frequency during transmission, inside one band
Changes to the current functionality:
More information fields in the Memory panel module
Excessive functions (related to transmission) will be removed from the E-Coder panel for receivers

Version 1.3.6
New functions:
A new module of IQ recorder, implemented in ExpertSDR2
Automatic fine tuning for CW stations
New profile system in the Power correction menu
Storing ATU settings in MB1 for antenna connectors
Polishing of MB1 GUI

Version 1.3.7
New functions:
Control of external tuner with the TUNE button, via EXT.CTRL. keys
Adding TCI operation via TCP server, to support Hamlib
Adding Morse code on German and Cyrillic in TCI
Profiles for DX operation
Storing SQL level per band
Adjustable delays for CW signal in TX mode (not for monitoring)
Separate step setting for RIT and XIT
Sync XIT and RIT function
Changes to the current functionality:
Default settings for all DSP processors of RX and TX

Version 1.3.8
New functions:
Opportunity to display a selected band in the whole bandscope, for example by a double-click of a mouse button
Opportunity to correct S-meter (during connection of external preamplifier)
Adding a new command to CAT - AI to identify transceiver
Noise Cancellation in WFM
Adding 9 kHz filter bandwidth for DRM
Opportunity to save mic settings per mode, in PROC menu
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ExpertSDR2 05 Sep 2019 10:33 #342

Rome,

as much as I like SunSDR2 PRO & EE, the general feeling is that there is no evolution for the last years. I don't underestimate the work you do but give us the main promised features. I'm not saying the new functions related to menus, buttons, TCI commands, profiles etc are not important but let's focus on some main requests.
You can conduct a survey on the features customer wants and concentrate on those.
What if for example you will stop all your work and concentrate all your resources only on Duplex, Predistorsion and Remote RX/TX for example, once these delivered, go to DSP features and improve these, as Erik mentioned: "noise blanker, noise reduction, wideband notch, improved filtering".
For me, as a client, I will be happy to see first these type of major changes then I will add GUI polish and other improvements.

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ExpertSDR2 05 Sep 2019 11:10 #343

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All in all, we've reevaluated priorities and will stick to the newly presented plan. I do hope that we'll have a different conversation at the end of December.
Just to clarify, when you add something into the working system, you might have to change lot's of stuff "under the hood" of the software, because it has to work differently. When we'll implement transverters, most probably we'll have to completely redo the antenna switch and ExtCtrl menus. What I want to say is that what might look like a simple feature, probably took lots of effort from the programmer to actually make it work.

Regarding the Duplex and Predistortion, yes, the priority is given to them over everything that is mentioned in the versions above 1.3.3. I'll update the development plan after the release of the 1.3.3.
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ExpertSDR2 05 Sep 2019 20:35 #344

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Dear everyone!

I think Roman is right and it all depends on the company policy how they will drive development, what their priorities are and what the order of development will be. We all kind of took the risk when we bought an SDR that we knew was not fully developed but software 1.2.0 works very well. I've made over 10,000 connections since March 2015 and I can only conclude that the transceiver is very good. The GUI has no comparison to the competition.
My backup rig is K3 :D :D it can not compare with SUNSDR2pro in CW.
I was playin with filter taps a litle and selectivity is exeptional.

All other manufacturers also have problems (LCD problems, SW ...) but I don't know if their users are so critical. There is too little tolerance.
I also follow the forum at www.cqham.ru and I can only congratulate Roman and Vassili for all their answers and efforts.

Good work EE.

Sri for my no native English, have good night and MNI DX.
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ExpertSDR2 17 Sep 2019 21:04 #345

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Hi @All
With your beautiful SDR radios you want and need to earn money so Duplex and Predistortion doesn't leave it to others.
If this would be much earlier, you sell more. I am sure at least here in Germany.

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