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TOPIC: VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio!

VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 09 Dec 2022 08:32 #1

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As many of you may have heard terms like “ESSB”, “Wide-Band SSB”, “HI-FI SSB”, “Voodoo audio” and so on, ESSB is a very popular SSB voice/phone Mode that many people enjoy operating all over the world today. People have been experimenting with Hi quality SSB audio for many years and some have even gone through great lengths to achieve this by highly modifying their transceivers. But today with modern SDR radio technology this is much simpler to achieve since the software itself defines the transmit and receive audio parameters.

I think Expert Electronics has a great opportunity to be the leader in this exciting mode that is becoming more popular every day. One thing in my opinion that would be a game changer in the industry would be the ability to run VST audio plug-in's right inside ESDR3.

The benefits of having native VST plugin support built into ESDR3 is that it’s not just great for TX audio processing but is also great for RX audio processing for things such as noise reduction, Equalization and more.
To do this today the user must create a very complex setup including running separate DAW (digital audio workstation) software, complex audio connections using VAC that all cause more latency and extra unnecessary load on the CPU just to use a few VST plugins with ESDR3.

However by having built in native support for VST plugins in ESDR3 means the user can select what ever audio plugins that suit there needs and since the plug-in's are running native inside ESDR3 there is no need for any complex setup or unnecessary CPU load. This also allows Expert Electronics to not waist time and resources on the development of trying to add such advanced audio tools to ESDR3 when these very advanced VST plugins already exist today. This allows Expert Electronics to focus there time on adding other SDR Radio based features.

All that is needed to add VST plugin support to ESDR3 is to add the VST Host engine code library (available from Steinberg / Yamaha) to ESDR3, Add the necessary lines of code to create the proper audio I/O connections in the software and update the UI to accommodate the new VST plug feature. In my opinion I believe 4 slots for VST TX plugins and 4 slots maximum for VST RX plugins should be more than enough to satisfy almost any users needs keeping in mind that some plugins will add additional latency to the system and that not all VST plugins will work with ESDR3.

In my opinion by default ESDR3 should still come with the same basic set of built in audio tools that it comes with today because for most users these tools are sufficient. However if the user is looking for better TX & RX audio capabilities and want’s to install a VST plugin they should be able to go into the setting window and click a button titled “Enable VST Plugin Support”. When this button is enabled in the settings window ESDR3 will create 4 empty VST slots for the users TX & RX plugins and automatically route audio through the plug-in engine.
Now that “Enable VST Plugin Support” is turned on all TX & RX audio will pass through the plug-in engine. For example If I want to use a VST plugin for my voice you would select your mic input and set level as normal but now you can install a VST plugin into one of the 4 empty slots to enhance your TX voice quality. This would be the same for RX audio.

I believe this could be an area that sets Expert Electronics apart from all of the other companies and would make EE the first in the industry to have this state of the art audio capability built right into the SDR radio itself.
This could be in the "PRO" Version of ESDR3 in the future?

There are hundreds of plug-in's available some are even free, but this video shows of how just one single VST plugin can transform the users voice quality.



Imagine having the capability built into ESDR3!!!!!
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 09 Dec 2022 12:07 #2

I posted this last year on github I hope this can be added to eSDR3 soon.
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 11 Dec 2022 16:29 #3

This is a really smart idea. It would make a lot of sense to add support for VSTis into EESDR3, as I guess many of us are keen audio hobbyists as well as radio enthusiasts. +1 from me.
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 11 Dec 2022 20:22 #4

I really would love to see this in EESDR3, so 1+ on that :music:
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 12 Dec 2022 11:58 #5

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I really would love to see this in EESDR3, so 1+ on that :music:

Amazing! Me too... :good:
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 12 Dec 2022 14:58 #6

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Just wonder ... when and who would be the first to demand from EE to embed 4K video production/transmission (very important feature, cannot live without, etc...) :D

And three ADC. Two is not enough.

And coffee. Let it make to brew coffee too.
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 12 Dec 2022 21:29 #7

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And then we have the guys who transmit 4-5Khz SSB bandwith even that its not alowed Plus a lot of strange modulation as if the where in the Church!!!!
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 12 Dec 2022 22:21 #8

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sm4ive wrote:
And then we have the guys who transmit 4-5Khz SSB bandwith even that its not alowed Plus a lot of strange modulation as if the where in the Church!!!!
Yeah , wtth "smooth warm pro bass sound" :music: :D

Anyway.

I believe one fresh example of "license manipulation" is more than enough (SDC).

Hence, I very much doubt EE will ever again take a risk of embedding any 3rd party software into their products.
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 12 Dec 2022 23:37 #9

Would love to see this as well. +1
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 12 Dec 2022 23:38 #10

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Well. I think it would be best to let them make that decision. I don't think having the ability to use VST plugins is a bad thing. Some of us want to hear much more than Dits and Dahs. And 4k IS allowed.
Last Edit: 12 Dec 2022 23:39 by W1SPS. Reason: One additon
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 13 Dec 2022 01:05 #11

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VK6NX wrote:
sm4ive wrote:
And then we have the guys who transmit 4-5Khz SSB bandwith even that its not alowed Plus a lot of strange modulation as if the where in the Church!!!!
Yeah , wtth "smooth warm pro bass sound" :music: :D

Anyway.

I believe one fresh example of "license manipulation" is more than enough (SDC).

Hence, I very much doubt EE will ever again take a risk of embedding any 3rd party software into their products.

Well first off, it IS NOT ILLEAGAL AT LEAST HERE IN THE US< How Do I know

Well-being part of a group that was challenged for running 4-8K audio and someone who didn't like it, challenged us in court the FCC sided with US it's an experimental concept and that is what amateur radio is about- don't like just don't use it- ignore it plenty of other crap to do or use I don't care for some digital modes, but I don't bitch and complain about it-
Pull up your big boy underweared-
and for those e who want to challenge or say it's illegal that ruling I'll leave your asses with this- transition.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2004/DA-04-3832A1.html

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I think it would also be nice to have it, but I seriously doubt EE will do it, hell they can't even comment on just when the promised full duplex will happen or JUST HOW they're going to produce something like pure signal. it's all been promises that are broken. and Yes, Full duplex has been mentioned by both Roman and Vasily in a few videos- and in one live your tube chat Q&A session where Vasily remarks Dull Duplex isn't a problem programmer has been working on it, that was over a year ago guys.
It's all smoke and mirrors, promises not achievable-

Then there is the half assed comment by one VK, regarding 3rd party extensions, yet he has been working on one with one of his close friends a programmer, now you guys think he isn't going to try and get that implemented into the application, LOL= :crazy:

This VST idea while great and could be a big plus for their sales, won't happen, and if it does it won't be EE unless it's a 3rd party application which can use Steinberg's VST formats through TCI- but there are limitations in TCI regarding audio spectrum bandwidths and buffers-

So, if you want EESB or the likes for now or near future built into an EESDR application look elsewhere

Now I'm going back under the rock, so I don't have to listen or see some lame ass bullshit comment(s) by 6nx

If you want to talk about this idea without all the nay sayers, I suggest you email me for access to a site where crap talk won't happen in regard to it.

READ the FCC ruling nay Sayers it's NOT ILLEAGAL - so deal with it! FCC link and PDF have been provided for your educational viewing and learning experience!
Please do not email me and ask for help I no longer will be part of this, If I could delete /remove my profile I would do so.
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 13 Dec 2022 11:54 #12

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well if you should follow IARU Region 2 and we have the same Region 1 it clearly says 2700 hZ SSB band with,
what happens if band are filled with 4-5Khz stations?
www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjwse-Pwvb7AhU-RvEDHZjBCUYQFnoECAwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iaru.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F01%2FR2-Band-Plan-2016.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1inbq7HdMe7ob0QPbN5BSa
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 13 Dec 2022 15:35 #13

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transition.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/2004/DA-04-3832A1.html
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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 14 Dec 2022 00:10 #14

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VST Plugins, ESDR3 & The best transmit audio in ham radio! 16 Dec 2022 22:28 #15

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I go with N8SDR on this, that it's not illegal to transmit on more than 2.7khz bandwidth. The resolution by the FCC he attached explains it.
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